Sunday, 17 May 2015

COMPETING FILM SHOWDOWN - The Raid: Redemption vs Dredd

Looking at film.  Sometimes two very similar films come out close together, see which one is better...

2012:  Law Enforcement Raid Showdown

The Raid: Redemption was a 2011 Indonesian film release in most countries in 2012. the same time as the film Dredd, based on the comic book character Judge Dredd.

Why did it happen?

Because The Raid was released first many people immediately assume that Dredd ripped it off.  Dredd was announced in 2008 and the complete script was leaked online in 2010.  Production began in November 2010 went for 13 weeks and was followed by a long period of post-production.  The Raid: Redemption began was an attempt to follow up the 2009 film Merantau with a film called Berandal. After a year and a half it was discovered that Berandal would be too complex and time consuming instead created a smaller simpler film Serbuan Maut (The Raid: Redemption). Filming began in March 2011.  The plot is a simple and cost effective one which isn't new and both films used to keep costs down and create tension.  It seems mostly to be a coincidence, but one that hurt Dredd's reception.  [Dredd was previously as part of "Recommend to Me"]

Round 1

TITLE


"Judge Dredd - *the* Judge Dredd - finally gets on the wrong end of a gun and all he says is, "Wait." You know what? I expected more from you." ~ Judge Lex, Dredd.
  • The Raid: Redemption - While "The Raid" is a strong descriptive - if overused and generic - title, the addition of the sub-title "Redemption"weakens it.
  • Dredd - A strong title and getting away from linking to the previous adaptation Judge Dredd (1995).  Somewhat weakened as it is often promoted as Dredd 3D.


WINNER: DREDD

Round 2

PLOT


"This man has become something of a legend in the underworld.  Pushers, gangs, killers, they all respect him like a god.  For the past 10 years his building has been a no-go zone for police.  I don't care how big he is or who is behind him, he must be stopped." ~ Rama, The Raid Redemption.
  • The Raid: Redemption - A twenty man SWAT team is sent into a run-down apartment block to capture the criminal who owns and runs it.  When the alarm is raised the squad members must fight to survive, while certain member further their own agendas.
  • Dredd - A future cop and his telepathic rookie enter a giant "Megablock" apartment complex to find a murderer.  Upon capturing the suspect the criminal who controls the block locks it down, leaving the pair to fight an entire block out the get them.

TIE.

Round 3

CHARACTERS

"In case you people have forgotten, this block operates under the same rules as the rest of the city. Ma-Ma is not the law... I am the law." ~ Judge Dredd, Dredd.
  • The Raid: Redemption - A lot of fairly generic characters.  Some good villains but that's about it.  Non-stop action gets in the way of character development.
  • Dredd - A few interesting characters, both heroes and villains.  Even the emotionless Dredd - a character type that's often dull or annoying - is done well.

WINNER: DREDD




Round 4

ACTORS


"Welcome to the inside of your head. It's kind of empty in here." ~ Judge Anderson, Dredd.
  • The Raid: Redemption - A couple of poor actors spoil the film, being Indonesia there are no names very big in the rest of the world.
  • Dredd - All serviceable actors, some names and some just before they got fame.

WINNER: DREDD



Round 5

EFFECTS


"I was wondering when you'd remember you forgot your helmet." ~ Judge Dredd.
"Sir, a helmet can interfere with my psychic abilities." ~ Judge Anderson.
"Think a bullet in the head might interfere with them more." ~ Judge Dredd. Dredd.
  • The Raid: Redemption - Small budget, current era film, no major need for effects.  Replica weapons were used a muzzle fire and shells were added digitally.  Some slow motion for effect and some good gore.
  • Dredd - Set in the future with high tech weapons and equipment.  Lots of effects, some good, some bad.  Over-use of slow motion effects and gore.  There's a story reason for it but it wears out its welcome.

WINNER: DREDD



Round 6

ACTION

"Go to work and have a fun." ~ Tama, The Raid Redemption.
  • The Raid: Redemption - Over the top martial arts and gunfire.
  • Dredd - Even bigger gunfire and explosions.

WINNER: .DREDD

Round 7

TENSION

"Pulling a trigger is like ordering a takeout." ~ Mad Dog, The Raid Redemption.
  • The Raid: Redemption - The film is able to maintain the tension throughout, and although the hero is clear, his survival is not.
  • Dredd - Tense, however, Judges Dredd is a comic book hero and there is no doubt of his or Judge Anderson's survival against incredible odds.

WINNER: THE RAID: REDEMPTION.


Round 8

BUDGET ON SCREEN

"What's the price of a Judge these days?" ~ Judge Dredd, Dredd.
  • The Raid: Redemption - A tiny budget but the film doesn't suffer for it.  It's obvious that some of the choices - setting, lack of location shoots, etc - are made to reduce the budget but it doesn't really affect the viewer's enjoyment.
  • Dredd - A larger budget - but still small for this type of films - and it's poorly distributed.  The choice of setting hides some of the problems, but they do choose to start the film with an outside chase scene that looks cheap.  Most of the effects look great (if overused) but it sometimes feels like they drained all the money that could have gone into costumes, etc.

WINNER: THE RAID: REDEMPTION.


Round 9

TESTS

"You got any last words, bitch?" ~ Kay.
"That's funny. I was gonna ask you that. Bitch." ~ Judge Anderson, Dredd.

Bechdel Test

  • The Raid: Redemption - Umm, there was the pregnant wife in the beginning.  Fail.
  • Dredd - Ma-Ma and Judge Kaplan have a brief discussion about Kaplan killing Anderson.  Counts but minor.  Pass.

Mako Mori Test

  • The Raid: Redemption - Umm, there was the pregnant wife in the beginning.  Fail.
  • Dredd - Anderson has more of an arc than Dredd.  Pass.

WINNER: DREDD

Round 10

BOX OFFICE

"20 years I've been on the streets. You know what Mega City One is, Dredd? It's a fucking meat grinder. People go in one end, and meat comes out the other. All we do is turn the handle.." ~ Judge Lex, Dredd.

US Box Office

Profit

  • The Raid: Redemption - Estimated $1,100,000 budget (Worldwide boxoffice unknown, but US alone was 373%.
  • Dredd - Estimated $50,000,000 budget. (Worldwide $35,626,525, only 70% (but is said to have made its money back on DVD and Blu-ray)

WINNER: THE RAID: REDEMPTION.

Round 11

RATINGS


"The code to Ma-Ma's chambers is 4-9-4-3-6." ~ Judge Anderson, Dredd.

IMDb

Metacritic


Rotten Tomatoes


 WINNER: THE RAID: REDEMPTION.

Round 12

SHOWDOWN REVIEWS

"
I'm not gonna be a Judge and I don't need to be a mind reader to know it
." ~ Judge Anderson, Dredd.

WINNER: THE RAID: REDEMPTION.


Round 13

READER'S POLL

"You're picturing a violent sexual liaison between the two of us in a pointless attempt to shock me." ~ Judge Anderson, Dredd.

Even if you haven't seen both films, do the survey.





RESULTS SO FAR

  • The Raid: Redemption - 6 (5 wins, 1 tie).
  • Dredd - .7 (6 wins, 1 tie).

Both films are fun but pointless.  The Raid: Redemption is not stop martial arts action.  Dredd is an adaptation of the comic strip.  Both have strengths and flaws but beyond the premise are very different films.

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5 comments:

  1. Anonymous18 August 2019 at 05:14

    I have seen both and vouched for The Raid. Judge Dredd was good too. But some good martial art fighting is always nice.

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  2. Unknown13 October 2020 at 04:17

    The martial arts nonsense was way over the top in The Raid. For the first half of the movie, bullets are flying everywhere. Then what, everyone forgets how to use a gun in the 2nd half? Still a fun movie, but silly.

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  3. Unknown23 June 2021 at 05:27

    This is just garbage criteria for what can only be described as the worst assessment of a film's quality I've ever encountered. Seriously, the overwhelmingly lopsided critical reception paints the picture clear as day, and yet the narrow victory goes to Dredd. I don't know who put this tripe together but I wish there was some way to put a block button on their very existence so I never encounter this level of callow irrelevant meandering nonsense. Test on female agency are an actual metric used to determine quality!? Talk about surface level shallowness. I was to see if others noticed the similarities in cinematography, the almost shot for shot recreation of scenes, like the child running the hall harrowing the calm before the storm in both films. Or, how similar the lighting and composition were of the slum housing, not the identical use of an intercom system and the execution of the films change in tempo. Instead I'm subjected to some philistine's interpretation of art by checklist. Highly disappointing.

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  4. Anonymous26 August 2022 at 16:20

    There's a reason for the shot for shot similarities which was mentioned in the article. The script for Dredd was leaked and posted online before The Raid was ever a twinkle in anybody's eye. So the guy that made The Raid stole the script and concept from Dredd. Big block apartments like that don't even make sense for Indonesia, but are a feature since the 70s in 2000ad. Raid 2 is the original script they were trying to shop around and no one likes that stinker. So yeah Dredd should have won on every level, Raid sucks and its only renown is ripping off Dredd and getting all the credit the makers of Dredd deserve.

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  5. Anonymous5 June 2024 at 18:22

    hands down The Raid all the way, 'til this day, is still fun to watch. Dredd was nice, but not interested to re-watch.

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